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CMAT on her love of The Nolans, TikTok subgenres and the success of 'I Wanna Be A Cowboy, Baby'
Feb 9, 2025
CMAT wrote one of our favourite songs of 2020 – the impossibly catchy and quite hilarious 'I Wanna Be A Cowboy, Baby'. The Forty-Five's Jen Thomas goes IN DEPTH with the Irish singer-songwriter about the song's success, her love for ABBA TikTok, musical influences and why comedy in music is sometimes a difficult thing to get right.
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so i'm jen thomas and today i'm having a
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chat with cmat for the 45
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so thank you very much for your time
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today and for joining us we're going to
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be having a chat about you
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your music and kind of everything else
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in between if that was okay with you
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that is perfectly fine with me i'm ready
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let's do it
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i saw earlier on but some of your songs
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they get put on spotify playlists
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and i know you were quite pleased
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earlier on because one has been added on
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so there's a gay country
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and i saw earlier on there was another
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one that was called a garden indie
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which was a new genre for me
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that one didn't seem quite it's i don't
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know i think i don't know about
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garden indy because i don't really i
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don't really i don't think i've ever
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really had a garden
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you know i don't really know where the
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garden comes from but listen if someone
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wants to listen to my music in the
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garden i'm more than happy to facilitate
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that it's not a problem
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um but yeah the other playlist was gay
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country by
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it's a it's a playlist by tom ospal who
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i love
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so i was very excited to be added to
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that and so is it
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is it surreal for you sometimes to see
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the names of the playlists and stuff
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that you're
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you'll put onto um i mean
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they're all i'm starting to see a
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pattern now it was definitely bizarre in
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the beginning because i've been
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like this like i released my first song
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less than a year ago so i'm still very
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fresh to everything
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but like i know it now basically seems
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to be
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something along the lines of country
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music
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and stuff that is
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gay and stuff that is camp
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and like those are usually in the name
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titles of the playlist they're like is
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it camp
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is it over the top is it country music
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is it kind of gay
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then you'll get put onto that one and
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it's all good i'm happy with that
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that'll do that's pretty much that'll do
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like that's great
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because i saw there was another tweet
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that you did whereas like i'll shout out
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to like the 11 people who are currently
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listening to
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uncomfortable christmas and that was on
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like the 13th of january or something
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i was kind of horrified to find out that
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you can see that much information
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because i've never thought of it from
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the listeners point of view of like how
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much
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an artist knows it's like thanks for
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over sharing spotify
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you can see a lot of details like you
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don't get to see
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who is listening but it'll be like if
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you click onto any of your songs
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it can be like 50 people are listening
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right now and then as you're looking at
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it it'll bleep
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and it'll go like 51 49
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47 and you're like no where are they
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going
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and you can just watch that for hours
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and you'll never get tired of it
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and then yeah so basically if you if one
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of your songs gets put onto
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a playlist i think it could be any
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playlist it could be anybody's playlist
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it doesn't matter who the user is if it
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gets played
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more than i think 25 times in a month
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you will then see the name of the
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playlist
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and the account that the playlist
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belongs to so most of it is obviously
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like you know your garden indies or the
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spotify editorial playlists and stuff
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like that or maybe
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you know a festival account you're
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playing the festival you know that's
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awful
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but then you go down and there's just
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someone who clearly
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it's like it's just their personal it's
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their personal playlist
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and you're like oh you've listened to my
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song
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105 times in the last 28 days
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and it's like some guy called paul and
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i'm like oh paul
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how are you doing how are you how are
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you keeping buddy is everything okay at
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home
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it's usually not but uh like i really
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appreciate those playlist editions more
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than the other ones because i'm just
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like this is this means something
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like this a heartbreak track or
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something it really is like is
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everything okay
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are you alright listening to this on
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repeat and some people
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there's some people as well who just
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will have a playlist called cmat
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and they just have my four songs on it
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and again it's like a personal
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it's just a personal account so so some
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woman called claire
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and she's got just to see matt win and
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it's like the four singles are on it
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and she's listened to everything at
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least 50 times in the last 28 days and
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i'm like girl what's going on with you
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like let's have a lovely time
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plenty of people are now gonna be
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sitting there going what have i been
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listening to
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and do these artists know about it now
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like i definitely had a moment where you
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think oh okay
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yeah but it's nice you know because the
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only thing you can see
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is how many times someone has listened
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to something you don't get to see where
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they listen to it
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although i'd be very curious about that
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too yeah
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they could just lift the lid on that
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gdpr and show me exactly where
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and every single person that is exactly
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listening to it i just want to know the
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circumstances it would be good for my
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craft
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to know and you mentioned about first
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releasing
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your song a year ago obviously it's a
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very strange time to be releasing music
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with the pandemic and everything that
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has then
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happened uh i mean obviously it isn't
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how you would have liked things to have
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gone most musicians would have liked to
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have been touring for
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the whole of the last year kind of what
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are your hopes and ambitions
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for this year would you want to release
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more music work on an album what would
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you like to do
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um i am going to be releasing more music
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this year
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um i'm not sure what form and i'm
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actually currently
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writing my album or i'm finishing off
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the writing of my album at the moment
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and i have absolutely no idea when it
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will come out or what form
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it's going to take or what shape it's
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going to take it can't give you any
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details
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but i like i have a i pretty much know
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what i'm doing for the next like
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two years because i'm quite well i'm not
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organized but
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you know my my music organizes itself
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almost
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uh because i need to be done with
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certain topics and certain themes i'm
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like i need to
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get this particular problem that i have
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in my head
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i need to get this out of my system by
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like this time otherwise i'll go
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absolutely insane so i have to just like
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write the songs and then see which of
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them are good
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um but yeah so i'm writing the right in
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the first
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album now but uh yeah it's exciting
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but also terrifying terrifying and where
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do your country influences come from
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oh um from my childhood i would say
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uh like i i i've said this before
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but i think when i was a kid i think i
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heard about
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dolly parton before i heard of her or
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heard like her music and stuff like i
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think i just heard someone describe like
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oh
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it's like a woman she's really funny
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she's really nice
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she's got really big boobs and she
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writes all her own songs
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and she writes lots of songs for other
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people and she also wears like 75 layers
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of makeup
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like i think i just heard about that
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when i was really young and i was like
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oh
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it's like all of that
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and then you know dolly is kind of just
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a jumping off point then
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into getting into more niche corners of
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country music
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and i definitely did that you know um i
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don't know if it was dolly parton
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i think dolly parton was kind of my
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springboard to everything because i got
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really into her
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and then however it happened i ended up
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really getting into the white stripes
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because of dolly parton
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don't ask me how it happened when i was
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12. they didn't did
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kylie didn't they yes and i think that's
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i think i might have
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when i was a kid i think i accidentally
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downloaded
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the white stripes cover of jolene
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off wire thinking that it was the dolly
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parton vision and then i got stuck
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with it and i was like this is terrible
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this isn't like dolly parton at all and
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then i ended up listening to it like 10
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times and i was like oh i actually love
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this
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so then for me as a kid it was kind of
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like trying to bridge the gap between
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like dolly park and the white stripes
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and like filling in all the blanks in
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between
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and i feel like the blanks in between
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are extremely special because you kind
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of go into like
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the like early 70s
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freak folk artists who in my opinion
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like predominantly women songwriters
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that kind of encapsulated that whole
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scene like vashti bunyan and
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linda pearhacks and um
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i mean i guess you could say like dory
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previn and stuff so there's a lot of
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these
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those on judy still judy cell's like my
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number one so there's all these artists
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that are kind of in the middle
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of those two as well and then you know
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all the other
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massive women country writers and
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performers from the 70s like loretta
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lynn
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and tammy wynette and tommy weiner is
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very very
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special to me um so yeah i think it's
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just the honesty
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it's just very honest it's very honest
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music
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like with your talking about like dolly
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obviously writing for other people and
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with you with co-writing and songwriting
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do you enjoy that just as much as
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writing your own songs is it something
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that you want to carry on doing more of
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are you wanting to focus on your own
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things now
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i think i need to do both to be honest i
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don't think
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either is more important than the other
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like i think writing songs for myself
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is very important from like um a mental
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perspective because there's there's
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topics that i have to get rid of
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in my head like you know emotional
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things that i kind of have to get rid of
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through songs
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but then with the co-writing it's really
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important for me
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to develop my craft and the only way
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that you can properly develop
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your songwriting craft i believe is by
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working with other people and learning
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to work with other people and taking
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other people's expertise on
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board and you know learning their tricks
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and learning
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you know if you're in a co-writing
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session with someone and you're like
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i love this and they're like i hate this
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and you're like
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why do you hate this that doesn't make
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any sense and they will always
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methodically explain to you why
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you hate that thing and at least then
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you'll either know oh
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maybe i was wrong or they're completely
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wrong but each of those is still a
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process so i really love it i just love
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color writing i love
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writing with other people in mind
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because it just takes you know
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it it takes one element of songwriting
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for myself out which is like
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making it all about me it's like
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actually learning to use my skills for
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the betterment of others
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you know and it's fun it's fun
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i love having fun it does sound like
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songwriting is a cathartic process for
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you as you say like you're wanting to
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get this songwriting done to get that
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out of your head so you can move on and
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do something else and
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with the nature of some of your music
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there is like the themes of heartbreak
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and loneliness and sadness but then
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there's this veneer of
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humor and the comic side of it so is
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that something that you go into
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intentionally or is it just how you are
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as a person and that's how it comes out
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in the songs
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i think it's just who i am to be honest
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with you like it's not
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it's actually it's something that i'm
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trying not to do
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both in my songs and in real life and i
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will eventually move away
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i think from that kind of songwriting
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for myself because
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it is just a defense mechanism and it is
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just like a buffer zone
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it's like ah i can't really be sad if
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i'm like telling you all these jokes and
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ah
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but um you know and that's something i
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do in real life as well like i i'm like
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like people in relationships like i
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have often been described as like the
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man of the relationship because i refuse
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to talk about my feelings
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like i re like point blank reviews and
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like i'll talk to my friends about it
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and stuff but like
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like you know when you're really close
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with someone they're like how are you
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i'm like i'm
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great i'm having a great time there's
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annoying rock i'm absolutely doing great
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i'm trying actively to stop doing that
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because it doesn't serve anybody
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it's bad for everyone involved unless
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you break down the walls a bit
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and actually give the answer going no
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they do want to know like
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they just don't just want a joke or like
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some quip or something instead
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yeah but also irish people
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that's just us i think as well like
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we're the worst first like i
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haven't met i don't think i've met a
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single
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irish family that has been untouched by
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like
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the damages of humor and like whis
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and like oh it's gonna be fine don't
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worry about it let's just have a new
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like listen up it doesn't matter that
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everything's going wrong we'll just move
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booze our waitress sing a few songs like
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do dance oh sure don't even
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like i don't think i've met a single
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family that has not been
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like badly affected by that mentality so
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it is yeah i do i do like it though
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because it is entertaining
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and entertainment is very important so
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nothing to say
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sometimes uh sometimes in music comedy
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can get a bad rap it can sometimes be
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pigeonholed do you ever worry about that
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that perhaps people won't take it
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seriously and they won't listen to
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the more heartfelt elements of it
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because they think oh this is a fun song
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about cowboys this is a song about kfc
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and they're not actually
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listening to it properly yeah i like
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that is that is actually a common enough
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problem like
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um i know like there's a couple of
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journalists at the moment um
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who seem to keep going for the likes of
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like
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phoebe bridgers and stuff for this exact
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reason
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and where it's like using comedy as a
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buffer as a
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whatever but i just i i honestly think
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that if someone listens to my music
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and they don't get both sides of it
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where they don't see the sadness
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and the humor if they're not
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experiencing both things then it's
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probably just not for them
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and i don't really mind then it's like i
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think if you didn't grow up with that
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kind of a
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brain or if you didn't grow up in a
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situation where you really really
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depended on humor to get you through it
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if you didn't have like you know some
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kind of
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bad situation or you know
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you know if you weren't bullied or if
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you didn't have anything bad happen to
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you when you were younger
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it's the kind of thing where maybe it
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just isn't for you maybe this isn't your
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type of copy mechanism maybe this just
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isn't how you
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have to see the world in order to get
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through it but a lot of people
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do have to see the world in that way in
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order to get through it and i think my
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music is for them
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you know and when i don't when was it
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that you first thought oh actually i can
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make a go of this like i can
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release the songs i can do this properly
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when was that that you started taking it
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seriously as a career option
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well it's like i was in i was in a band
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when i was
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younger but when i was in that band i
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had a
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i had a bandmate who i would have kind
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of been collaborating with sometimes
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on the writing and he was really like
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let's take the humor out of it like
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because i can think i was always kind of
15:12
writing jokes and stuff
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into the songs just because i really
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like writing jokes as well
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um and i was trying to kind of weave
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them together
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and the kind of attitude was like it's
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not a joke like you have to take it
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seriously and
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so then when i try to do but music by
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myself
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um i just did what i wanted to do and i
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don't think
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i don't think i even now take music
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seriously as a career option like i
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really don't
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kind of just like oh let's see what
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happens like i just kind of
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i just roll around i just i'm always
15:44
like yeah i'm probably gonna have no
15:46
fixed abode for like six months
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and just like roam around write my
15:50
little songs and then i'll probably have
15:51
to go back to working in the bloody
15:53
super value but like it's grand like who
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cares
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you know i don't yeah i don't think i
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take music seriously it's a career
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option
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now that i think of it i'm like ah this
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will last about six months
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just bring it we'll see what happens
16:06
anything else would be a pleasant
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surprise
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like you're going oh that's good people
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are listening to it oh you want more
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oh lovely like it is kind of always a
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pleasant surprise like i was just like
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oh
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like someone's like i love your cowboy
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song really
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oh that's mad
16:25
i wrote that for me i mean it does seem
16:28
anything goes at the moment in this
16:30
pandemic in this time like with the
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whole sea
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shanties thing on tick tock like it
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seems the more niche the better you're
16:36
like see shanties cowboys we are loving
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it
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i love the sea shanties i love them i
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could list i could listen to it all day
16:44
that song it's so good yeah everything
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will go
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you know it it does feel like people i
16:51
mean obviously tick tock has kind of
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taken off particularly over the panda
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but loads of people were downloading it
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it was huge anyway but it seems like
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because people are spending so much more
16:59
time at home
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uh they're using it i know that you use
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it as well and you've had lots of fans
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all over the world not just
17:05
the uk and an island um things like the
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sea shanties there are things with like
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cowboys there's lots of women riding
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horses and stuff it does seem like
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the niches do particularly well are you
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finding that your songs are kind of
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translating well on there
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um i i don't really know the answer
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to that i don't know if my songs are
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translating well or if they're not
17:29
but i think i think the internet age
17:34
has basically made the idea of a niche
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redundant if that's a bit of a funky
17:40
thing to say i don't know but it kind of
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feels like
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you know beforehand maybe 20 years ago
17:47
if you were into something if you were
17:48
into country and western music
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you had to work very very hard and look
17:53
for a very very long time to find
17:55
other people who are into that unless
17:57
you're like in texas but if you're in
17:58
ireland or if you're in london
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if you wanted to if you were really into
18:02
cowboys and country and western culture
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you would take a lot to find people who
18:06
shared your interests but
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now it's just like you know you have
18:11
stan twitter and you have stan tick talk
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and
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all these like there's like i'm obsessed
18:17
with on tick tock i follow
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this group of like teenagers and like
18:22
young adults who are just obsessed with
18:25
abba like these are like 17 year old
18:27
girls
18:28
who cook their hair themselves to look
18:30
like ignata
18:32
and they're all friends with each other
18:33
and they're all pen pals and they all
18:35
talk to each other all the time and they
18:36
like collab in each other's videos even
18:38
though they've never met in real life
18:40
and because of that it's just like
18:42
growing into a full community it's a
18:44
full-blown community whereas beforehand
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it would just be like oh
18:49
that girl in the village who's a weirdo
18:51
because she's absolutely absolutely lava
18:53
and has no friends as a result
18:55
like no that girl does have friends yeah
18:57
um
18:58
so i think it's actually become a thing
19:01
where niches are cool because they're
19:03
harder to come by because everyone's
19:05
into everything now because we all just
19:07
have all information from the beginning
19:09
of time to the end of time at our
19:10
fingertips
19:12
for better for worse who knows but like
19:14
yeah
19:15
so i i understand why cowboy culture is
19:18
popular
19:18
now like i do and i'm the same with the
19:21
sea shanties like anything that seems
19:23
unusual
19:24
people will just flock to it in the hope
19:25
of finding you know
19:27
a new untouched community i guess but
19:30
you know
19:31
well i think as well as the sea shanties
19:33
another one i kept saying was the um
19:35
the pirates the bisexual pirates where
19:37
they're all dressing as captains and
19:39
things and
19:40
setting it to some of the sea shanties
19:42
and it's like it's great that people are
19:44
having this freedom because i mean i'm
19:45
in my mid-30s and you look back even
19:47
20 years ago and people weren't that
19:50
accepting about different identities and
19:52
genders and sexualities and things and
19:54
now people are being able to be
19:55
completely who they want on their tick
19:57
tock if they want to be a bisexual
19:58
pirate and
19:59
dress as a captain then people are going
20:01
yeah great here are some people that are
20:02
into that
20:04
and they should because the bisexual
20:06
pirates movement
20:07
is just so gloriously beautiful in every
20:10
which way possible
20:11
like it is you're right this thing of
20:13
like
20:14
you know people wouldn't have been able
20:16
to find
20:18
a community very easily like 20 years
20:21
ago for whatever their thing is
20:22
particularly particularly
20:24
you know gay people always had to live
20:26
in the city that was just always the
20:28
thing they had to as soon as they
20:30
came of age they would just have to go
20:31
to london or new york or somewhere
20:33
big and populous in the in the hope of
20:36
just
20:36
being able to grab on to other people
20:38
who are in that community whereas now
20:40
you've got all these teenagers in the
20:42
middle of nowhere
20:43
who are like i'm bisexual and a pirate
20:46
and i'm gonna dress up as one
20:48
and i was just like yeah go for it sure
20:50
why not
20:51
nobody cares anymore like you just do
20:53
whatever you want to do
20:54
and it's i you know that is also as a
20:57
result of the internet i think the kind
20:58
of acceptance
20:59
like people are not only not only living
21:02
in their sexuality but they're just
21:04
taking the piss out of it
21:05
which i really really respond to and i
21:08
really uh really identify with like you
21:10
should just take the piss
21:11
out of sexuality because it's a joke and
21:14
let's talk about your love for the
21:15
nolans
21:16
i know you've had some messages from
21:18
them and like tweeting about them that
21:20
must be very surreal as well you're like
21:22
thank you internet for bringing me to
21:24
the nolans
21:25
if i was a 16 year old girl on tick-tock
21:28
today i would be
21:30
on nolan's tick tock like if that was
21:32
the thing
21:33
if it wasn't already a thing i would
21:34
have made it
21:36
i would have started it i might still
21:38
start it who's to say
21:39
i just i just adore them
21:43
i just absolutely adore them i think
21:45
they're so
21:46
i just think they're so wildly
21:48
underrated even now
21:49
even with the internet and even with me
21:52
like banging down people's doors to get
21:54
them to listen to the nolans and like
21:56
you know previously i actually i did an
22:00
interview with them a girl
22:03
a couple of weeks ago and when she
22:05
published the interview she was like
22:07
she did a tagline underneath where she
22:08
was like i just want to say that one of
22:10
the first times that they ever met kyra
22:12
was about seven years ago
22:14
and i don't think she remembers this but
22:16
she sat on my balcony for like two hours
22:18
and gave me an entire oral history of
22:20
the nose
22:23
and she's like so it's just so nice to
22:25
see where it's come and i was like oh my
22:27
god
22:28
like i've been doing this for years i've
22:29
been cornering people at house parties
22:31
for years and been like
22:32
would you like to talk about our lord
22:34
and savior than all and sisters because
22:35
i'm ready to do it
22:36
and so it's it's just so heartwarming
22:40
every time and they're all very active
22:42
online i should say like they're very
22:44
they're very with online and like i just
22:47
get little messages all the time like
22:48
little messages of support every time i
22:50
release something they're like listen to
22:52
this and i'm like oh i love them so much
22:55
i just love them i just want to be them
22:57
like in every way
22:58
i would be there would be to tour with
23:00
that
23:01
to do with you you can
23:05
even be in the presence of them because
23:06
i still haven't met any of them in real
23:08
life because this has all obviously
23:09
happened through lockdown
23:11
so the goal is um whenever we're allowed
23:14
go to hairdressers again
23:15
i'm just going to bring in a picture of
23:17
linda nolan and be like just do this to
23:19
me
23:20
i actually before lockdown happened i
23:22
had an appointment scheduled with a
23:23
hairdresser where i literally just
23:24
showed her loads of pictures of the
23:25
nolans
23:26
and i was like i want this and then by
23:28
the time the appointment came
23:31
the hairdresser's closed down so i've
23:32
been like attempting it myself but i
23:34
can't get it all the way around at the
23:35
back
23:36
so i'm like waiting i'm getting my hair
23:38
cut exactly like the nolan's like i
23:40
can't even stress how much i want to be
23:42
them and get my hair couldn't exactly
23:43
like them
23:44
i'm gonna get an outfit tailored that's
23:46
like taken from one of their music
23:47
videos i've already been speaking to a
23:49
dressmaker about this this is very real
23:52
and then i'm just gonna just walk around
23:53
like that i guess for the rest of my
23:55
life because i just want to view them so
23:56
badly that sounds good to me
23:58
that sounds like a plan that's something
24:00
to aim for so we can manifest this now
24:02
that by the time lockdown is over gonna
24:05
meet up with the nolans have your
24:06
haircut
24:07
have the outfit i'm sure they would love
24:08
it i'm gonna turn up in nolan's cosplay
24:13
like move over cowboys it's all about
24:16
the nolans now we're gonna be dressed
24:17
like that and yeah they'd love it i'm
24:19
sure they'd be thrilled
24:20
they would they're wait they're
24:22
expecting it at this point i think
24:24
they'd be disappointed if you don't now
24:26
that you've said it yeah and we've got
24:27
it recorded you're gonna have to do it
24:29
now there's no backing out of it
24:31
pretty much pretty much now your song
24:34
was featured on
24:35
the 45s tracks of the year list was it a
24:37
surprise to see it get picked up by so
24:39
many places
24:40
and is that a pleasant surprise for you
24:44
it was actually lovely uh for the 45
24:47
list i remember specifically
24:48
because it was a very definitive list of
24:51
like
24:52
these are our favorite songs of the year
24:54
and it wasn't just like
24:56
you know because it's one thing not to
24:59
not to discredit
25:00
kind of um any irish blogs or anything i
25:04
think they're all amazing
25:05
but you know a lot of the time i was
25:07
just kind of getting put onto
25:09
the best irish songs of the year like
25:11
beth irish songs of the year which is
25:12
great because there's so much amazing
25:14
music coming out of ireland don't get me
25:15
wrong but it's still a smaller pool
25:17
whereas the 45 was such a diverse list
25:20
and it was all over the place and i was
25:21
still on it and i was really chuffed
25:23
with it i was really really touched by
25:25
it
25:25
so like it you know there was no reason
25:27
for them to put me on other than they
25:29
just really liked the song
25:30
basically so that was really that was
25:31
really nice um
25:33
but it is kind of wild to see the legs
25:37
that cowboy in particular has grown um
25:40
because that was in my mind when we were
25:42
releasing it that was like my dodgy song
25:45
i was like i don't know i was like i
25:47
don't know how anyone's gonna
25:48
deal with this you know because it was
25:52
really
25:52
it was my most on the nose like country
25:55
song
25:56
not just not obviously just lyrically
25:57
but actually musically i kind of was
26:00
like i want this to sound like
26:01
a glenn campbell song with just you know
26:04
a lot of the real on the nose country
26:05
elements
26:07
kind of paired back a little bit but i'm
26:09
still going to have all these mad
26:10
layered vocals that are really
26:11
reminiscent of like wrecking crew stuff
26:14
um and people just really loved it and
26:17
it still boggles my mind
26:21
i just i don't really understand i do
26:24
understand but also i don't like i'm
26:27
like i know why i wrote the song and i
26:29
know why i think the song is good but i
26:30
just didn't think other people were
26:31
gonna feel like that about it
26:33
so it's really nice i don't really know
26:35
how to react to stuff like that because
26:36
i'm always just like what's going on
26:39
just going to be pleased i'm just going
26:40
to roll with it and see what happens
26:43
yeah yeah it's amazing though it's
26:46
amazing
26:47
so chuffed well thank you very much for
26:49
your time today good luck with writing
26:50
the rest of the album
26:52
and fingers crossed more's going to
26:53
happen this year and you get to meet the
26:54
nolans and get your haircut
26:57
that's my only priority is getting a
26:59
haircut and meeting the nolans and it
27:01
has to happen in that order because if i
27:03
turn up
27:04
and meet the nolans and my hair is not
27:06
looking good
27:07
then they will probably harass me over
27:09
it and they'll be right too
27:11
so yeah thank you so much
27:21
you
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