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Phoebe Bridgers on Grammys, working with Phoebe Waller-Bridge and moving on from 'Punisher'
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Feb 9, 2025
2020 has been quite the year for Phoebe Bridgers. Releasing the spectacular 'Punisher' in June, since then she's barely stopped moving. We spoke to the Grammy-nominated artist about the last six months including success, ASMR, starting a record label and working with Paul Mescal and Phoebe Waller-Bridge. The Forty-Five is a new music publication created by an entirely female team. Visit https://www.thefortyfive.com for more. Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_forty_five/
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so
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first of all i wanted to start off by
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saying you know grammys aside and
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everything congrats on being the 45s
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album of the year
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which i expect is you know most exciting
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accolade
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you've received lately thank you so much
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that's awesome
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no i mean it's it's such a great record
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um
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it's a record that i've spent a lot of
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time listening to
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as have all of our writers i wondered
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what it was like
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to have had you know what is objectively
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a pretty good
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year in the midst of like all this hell
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it's been nice to have something to
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focus on because
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i haven't been feeling super creative so
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um to be able to talk all year about
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something that i already made
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makes me feel like i make stuff you know
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yeah i mean
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you say that but you've done so much
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since then
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i guess what i what i consider
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creativity is writing music
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um and that's been like a super heavy
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challenge because
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you can't i feel like writing about
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what's happening is
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boring and and writing about something
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that happened
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is also distracting because of what's
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happening
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so um it feels good to
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still have a job right now you know like
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i just
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i went on a whole press tour from my
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house so
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it's fine do you prefer doing it that
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way
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uh some of it i feel like some stuff is
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never gonna go back
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to normal um but there's so much that i
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miss
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you know i was curious as to like it's
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such a layered
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record clearly like so many elements to
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it and it's a bit of a cliche to say but
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like
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i you know every time i listen to it
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i've either heard you talk about a
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specific element and then i kind of
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take a new interpretation of a song or
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or something but
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but i was curious as to how you
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how easy you find it to move on
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from a record like a project like that
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which is so
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vast really and um whether you can kind
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of happily
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put it to bed or you know six months on
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you're thinking oh maybe i would have
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done that differently
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i think psychologically once you can't
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change it you just don't like you're
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just at peace
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um but
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yeah i was definitely picking stuff
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apart
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up until the last possible minute uh
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but i also think that there's a danger
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of getting sick of something especially
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not being able to tour it
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um which is why i wanted to put it out
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this year because if i sat on it and
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waited for it to come out
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i would have been so bored with it by
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now
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um or dreading having the world hear it
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at such a different time than me
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like i like the world hearing something
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as soon as possible
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basically so um so yeah i'm trying to
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not get sick of anything and
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and tour is gonna bring a whole new
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element of
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fun to the record yeah i mean it must
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have been a weird taste of that
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um playing your red rocks show
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which was sort of like playing but not
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so weird especially because there were
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some crew people like camera people who
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were
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watching and you know but kind of
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despondent and doing their job and not
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like it didn't feel like an audience and
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then when i stepped off stage and
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watched
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nathaniel ready lift i realized that
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there were no speakers
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to the outside like it was just you
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could barely hear it you could sort of
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hear like
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r monitors but you couldn't hear it for
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real so
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it was super surreal but it was fun to
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play with the band
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yeah right that i mean that venue had
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you played that venue before
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never no i mean i hear so many bands say
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i've not been there but like it's such
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an incredible
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space and um it really is i went on that
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on like a small hike like literally 20
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minutes before i played so
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it's great oh that was nice um so i
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wanted to jump into some of the stuff
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that you've done
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since punisher um i think the last time
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we spoke
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well not me personally but like you
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spoke to someone from the 45
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we sent you what i can only describe as
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like a box of crap to your mom's house
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like including oh yeah big inflatable
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duck
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yes how's the duck fared is it is it
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still great
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it's still there it's a big hit it's
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very like
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for cobid safe hangouts like just
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someone's on the duck and someone's in
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the hot tub it's great
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yeah everybody everybody thinks the duck
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is disturbing
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with the huge weird lips but uh but then
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they
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eventually warm up to it but yeah things
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that you've done since then so that was
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when we last spoke that was summer i
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think the record was just about to come
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out
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um one thing i wanted to talk about was
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the record label which is so exciting
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i just got sent through claude's
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album today i haven't listened to it yet
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but um
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but yeah talk to me about how that came
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about well i've been wanting a record
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label for a long time i think just
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discovering
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so much music and you know sending like
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a huge
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email to the people who work at my label
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is just kind of exhausting and i
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and i kind of wanted the power to sign
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things um
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and i just think that a lot of stuff is
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fun that maybe some musicians don't
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think is fun
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like marketing and and like planning
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weird shows and
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and um you know hooking people up with
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different artists or
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or tours and um i think that a lot of
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that stuff is fun and then found claude
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uh claude claude's music was sent to me
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and then
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asked the label about it and they were
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like oh we've been trying to sign claude
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for like a year or something
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so so i uh swooped in and signed claude
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um so everybody's super excited about it
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yeah i loved that first track it was
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amazing um
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and what else can you tell me about it
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how many
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people are involved like on board so far
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have you signed
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well yeah no other official signings
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just um
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it's very early days and we wanted to
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get the first signing like really really
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solid
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and just make sure we knew how the team
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worked um
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and yeah and it's a lot of hard work and
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uh i'm glad that we did it that way but
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because the you know when i first
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started it i was like okay these five
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people and they were like whoa whoa whoa
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oh
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yeah like it's actually a lot of money
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and a lot of resources to do all at once
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so um so yeah just trying to have like
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an acute focus on cloud but also
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um reaching out to people that i think
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are awesome another thing i wanted to
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talk about was uh the new
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video and sort of i guess it plays into
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the label and so much stuff that you've
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done um
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just collaboration has been such a big
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part of
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of your story i guess um
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but yeah like phoebe and paul
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amazing duo um how did that all come
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about
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uh phoebe and i had been emailing for a
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while because our names are the same
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and it's funny uh and then
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she told me to watch normal people i
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watch normal people
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paul start paul and i started messaging
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each other and then i
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i told him who told me to watch the show
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and he was like can we make a video with
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her
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i was like i was like i don't know i
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don't ask and then i asked and she was
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like hell yeah so
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that's it was that easy it was so fun
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that's so good and did you try and find
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a dog that looked a little bit like you
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i think phoebe did i think i um
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i am just i was there to do whatever she
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wanted and there was like initially a
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different video idea
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and then she fired me on the phone like
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i was supposed to be
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more heavily in it which i actually
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didn't want
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i was like i think it would be
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interesting basically i had the same
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idea as the rolling stones
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uh video with paul which i didn't know
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about
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and then but i was like yeah like
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something of just him by himself doing
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something weird
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and um and she was like you have to be
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in it i was like all right
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and then a couple weeks later or
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whatever she called me and she was like
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okay you're fired because i found the
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new leading lady
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and she texted me a picture of charlotte
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and i was like
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yes this is gonna be so good
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that's a good job such good facial
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expressions uh she's
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like paul was like she's actually acting
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like
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she's acting it's so weird
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um and like obviously those two shows
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flee back and normal people
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have you know crossed the atlantic but
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um i've heard you talk
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before about things like alan partridge
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and like stathlets flats
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and stuff like would you say you're a
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bit of an anglophile or like how are you
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finding
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these these shows just friends friends
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that are like
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you know cause it's actually really hard
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to stream like this country over here
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oh yeah as well yeah so
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and then jamie from southwest flats is a
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friend of the 1975 so that's how i met
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him
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and i think that show is amazing so yeah
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so yeah it's just like
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i have a lot of connections to uh the uk
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in general in ireland um so
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yeah just it's it's great to tell
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american friends about that stuff
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because it's so popular over there and
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then
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you know nobody nobody knows what's up
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with it
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yeah right i wondered if it um like a
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lot of
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british things it kind of crossed into
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your music taste as well for sure i mean
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you know i think morrissey kind of
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invented like a sad
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up tempo band um so did robert smith
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um you know i'm obsessed with laura
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marling
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her and i are friends um
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yeah so much british culture makes it
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into my life
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that's cool and um other things
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that you've done over the last six
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months i mean
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the iris cover genius incredible that
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um that it raised so much money i think
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it was
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obviously evidently the perfect song
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choice but like how
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what why that song just because it's so
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i think it is so popular but i don't
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know a single person from a certain
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generation who it didn't connect with
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you know like i remember it from um uh
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treasure planet which is a kids movie
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and i just
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like it might be like the original emo
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song for a lot of
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millennials at least you know 26 year
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old millennials like me
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uh so so yeah just i thought it was
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funny and and then maggie thought it was
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funny and i just let it kind of like
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happen
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you know i feel like it happened to me
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like i made one joke
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and then it just i like followed the
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leash that i
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set free so and was maggie's involvement
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legit just her tweeting going hey
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yes we weirdly well we're friends
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but we weirdly have not worked together
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and she was like i can't believe this is
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the first
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thing we're actually working on so funny
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and um that seems to happen to you a lot
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like people just
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i mean i think with paul and with mattie
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from 75 people just sort of like send
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you a little tweet or something and then
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it turns into a project
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i love it it's like my favorite part
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about my life i feel like my only
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defense of the internet
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because obviously it's tearing people
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apart in so many ways it's psychological
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torture to look at instagram all day
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but connecting with people whose art you
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like
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in that way is it like just is so
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easy and fun like i wouldn't my life
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would be so different without
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social media i met marshall my drummer
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um
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on [ __ ] like facebook which is so weird
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um yeah he like messaged my like artist
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page and my mom responded
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insane how old were you then well i
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think i was like 19 but
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my um but i had been in a commercial and
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was getting like all sorts of
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inappropriate messages and my mom was
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like
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i think my job is gonna be that i filter
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these for you and
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and like you don't have to look at the
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inappropriate stuff but then of course
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you would send me screenshots every once
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in a while and be like
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like the whole point of this is that
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you're protecting me from it
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yeah and so what did marshall's message
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say that it got through was it like
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it was just asking to me to open for his
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band
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um olin and the moon which i did but but
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um we became fast friends i wondered
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oh this i guess it's a similar thing
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actually probably um
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that you talked i think in a pitchfork
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interview about your uh
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love of asmr videos and particularly
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that one
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girl i forget her name julia
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yeah and um then you went and did it and
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i watched it and i was just like
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i wanna know all about exactly what that
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experience was like because it just
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looks so
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intense well she's so
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cool and genuine which i think i said in
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the pitchfork interview and usually
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those are like mutually exclusive for me
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um where i'm like honest people aren't
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cool
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they're corny or something like she's
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just so yeah we talked for like two
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hours about our mutual friends and
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stuff and she lives like right down the
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street from me and we had just gotten
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tested and she like
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hasn't seen another human being in so
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long other than like volunteering for
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homeless shelters and stuff
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which is so cool um she's really funny
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too
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oh she's so funny and and she
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like aesthetically her like i watch her
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vlogs too because i'm just like
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that's the life i want like she you know
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eats like a normal person
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acts like a normal person like it's not
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i don't think she hides under the veil
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of
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like the internet as like even her best
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self i think she's just like
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i got too drunk and had cold stone last
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night which is like famously the most
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um fatty horrible ice cream like they
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tried to
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they tried to like make it make all
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these laws about like what they could
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and couldn't put on their packaging
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about like how you have to warn people
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because it's so many calories um
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yeah i just found her really endearing
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and it's weird because i felt like we
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were friends before we met and then she
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sent me a
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dm because she saw the pitchfork thing
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and asked me to come over
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so it was great and i i was super afraid
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i was gonna like pass out
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um which definitely almost happened but
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she she's very good at like
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calming people down too she was like
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she's like i'm not gonna let you look
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bad or
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embarrassing in this like i've got you
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uh
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so nice yeah that's cool i um
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i like i guess it doesn't sound like
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asmr
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when you're there or does it it does i
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mean obviously it's not as like you
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can't put it into your ear holes but it
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but
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you know being like caressed by another
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human being especially this year
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is so nice yeah sure i thought maybe you
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there was one bit where she was like
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spraying peppermint
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around your head near the start i
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thought maybe you were going to laugh
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but you didn't
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i was trying not to laugh like for the
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first part of it
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um just because it's so intimate yeah
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but i love that like i want to want to
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normalize like that
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type of in of intimacy with like
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friendships and stuff like
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my keyboardist nikki will occasionally
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like give someone a back rub and it's so
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nice
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like it's just and i and so many people
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would not do that or or not want to have
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that done but
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at a certain point on tour you're just
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like everybody is
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yeah i don't know breaking those
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barriers is really fun
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yeah for sure i used to work with the
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guy he used to do that but he would
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never do it to me
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i think no no it was he used to do a guy
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okay good you didn't you wouldn't ever
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do it to me but i was always quite
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jealous because the guys would
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sit there getting these like amazing
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back rubs and i'd be like [ __ ] sake man
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this is totally when i do want it you
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know totally i
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there was actually a creepy kid in my
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high school who would do it to girls
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and i would just like i'm like so bad
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that i just
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i'm gonna like flirt with him so that he
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does it
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like during math class or whatever like
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yeah um so i mean big thing we haven't
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really talked about grammys
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what so yeah same
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that's how i feel about it i'm just like
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what
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uh so cool like my grandpa
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who like i talk to every six months or
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whatever has called me like twice
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already like he's so excited i feel like
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it's um
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it's the first time that certain people
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in my life have acknowledged that i
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am doing a good job which is so nice you
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know like it's just for people who don't
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pay attention to
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pitchfork or whatever it's it's uh
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it's great to have not even really
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entered a competition
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and and get acknowledgement you know
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what i mean like i
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i'm on an indie label i have so many
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friends who've just never even
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participated
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um and so it feels unexpected and very
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nice to be acknowledged the award things
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like that i mean you know something like
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the grammy a grammy nomination
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i'm sure means something to to anyone
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and anyone who says it doesn't
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it's i would imagine kind of lying but
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um
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but like in general like did you grow up
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watching it
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is it something that has always been a
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goal yeah i mean
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it's always been a a
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thing like every time someone in my
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world gets nominated it's big for
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everyone
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you know like india in general getting
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acknowledged
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is so fun um
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so it's definitely always been a big
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deal and but i watch it kind of like the
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oscars like
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i don't i don't watch it the whole time
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being like someday
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i've always watched it as an
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entertainment um with my mom
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um so it's again like a great surprise
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and very fun to be participating
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do you know who you'll take uh
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well i don't know if we can like i just
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yeah
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i mean true i i saw someone the other
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day who'd been nominated chicka
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chica oh i love chica yeah it's obsessed
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with her
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she's so great she was like i'm so happy
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i'm gonna take my dad to the grammys and
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i was like
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i hope it happens man but totally yeah i
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mean
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my first instinct is like my brother
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uh because we look
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frighteningly similar and i want to like
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well i was joking that i want to do the
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angelina jolie
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when she took her brother to the oscars
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and they like actually made out
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um i'm like traumatizing him with that
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he's like
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no but he's like very tall and handsome
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and i feel like we could look very
19:34
austere
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and like um i'd make him bleach his hair
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and like
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maybe dye her hair like a weird color
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and just like i think that would be
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frightening
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and great so great yeah definitely i can
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do that that's that's the constantly
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grammy's ticket
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yes exactly
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um and look i wondered if you'd
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taken time you know now like all this
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success has happened and it's been a
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while since it's been out
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to look back at any of the like early
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phone notes or demos
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um that you made for punisher and just
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sort of like assess how it changed
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or how you how you've changed since then
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yeah i put a couple of them up a couple
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months ago
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um to benefit
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uh like bail charities and bail people
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out of
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jail um it was i think it was like
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chinese satellite and garden song and
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maybe kyoto i can't remember but um
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i they all sound the same like it's the
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same song
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so it's fun the original version of
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kyoto that sounds quite different
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yeah so it's fun for me to know
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that even if it sounds like i'm writing
20:44
the same song on my guitar
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once i go into the studio it'll change
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like the lyrics are my first
20:50
priority um so that's good in retrospect
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like
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i try to get that as good as possible
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then start recording
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it's pretty rare that i will write
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lyrics in the studio i think it happened
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once with halloween like i didn't really
21:05
like the verses when we recorded so
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i was like send me a a recording of this
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instrumental on i'll write new words and
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then i went back and recorded but the
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words are completely done but everything
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else can change
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so that's nice yeah that's really cool
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um
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and if you know people say like
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an album captures a kind of point in
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your time and you can look back
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a point in your life and you can look
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back on it and sort of
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see it i know summarize uh
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like how you were feeling what do you
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think punisher sort of says about
21:42
like this point of in your life that
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sometimes i don't notice when good
21:46
things are happening
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um because i'm not as obsessed with my
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own mental health when i'm happy
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uh and that what do you mean
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just i when i'm happy i'm not
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super focused on how i'm feeling i'm
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just enjoying things
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yeah okay so so i think that's why
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my music is so depressing because i
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don't feel like a i feel i
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definitely suffer with clinical
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depression but i also
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have so much beautiful stuff in my life
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and so the album is representative of
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what i
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what i need to pick apart of my psyche
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and my brain
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and not representative of my whole
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experience
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um because because yeah i'm not as
22:37
obsessed with
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why i was so happy one day or i'm i'm
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way more obsessed with kind of like
22:43
breaking apart
22:44
what what is happening in my brain that
22:46
makes me not able to appreciate things
22:48
um but i think that it it definitely is
22:52
a time and place in my life of like
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a constant you know growing of
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social pressure and success but also
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distance from my childhood
23:03
um so it's a lot of that it's like
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you know when you get into a car
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accident and
23:11
you're sitting in the emergency room or
23:13
you're standing on the side of the
23:14
freeway
23:15
and you're like okay it's over but i'm
23:19
still like it's silent in
23:22
in this space now but i'm you know
23:25
traumatized so it's that feeling i hear
23:28
a lot of that
23:29
as far as like early childhood stuff um
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but it's nice to be processing in a
23:36
public way for some reason because
23:38
people reach out and
23:40
relate to stuff that i didn't think they
23:42
would
23:43
so yeah for sure
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i mean it is it is such a beautiful
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record and um
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in terms of yeah like you say your
23:53
lyrics are so depressing but i think
23:56
the record and yourself in your the way
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that you
24:00
kind of are in interviews and you're
24:02
like social media stuff has brought so
24:03
much
24:04
joy to people this year so they're like
24:07
very happy about that in fact i will
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tell you
24:10
i don't i think the thing that i've
24:12
laughed most at this year
24:15
genuinely uh and it has been kind of a
24:18
solitary year so maybe that's why
24:20
is the thing that you shed which was a
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guy
24:23
singing um
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like a mash a roast potato recipe
24:30
doing this tune of kyoto like
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i mean i love him like what
24:37
oh i just want my tick whenever i open
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tiktok it's just like people singing
24:41
louis capaldi i just wanted to be that
24:43
that's what i want i love tick tock i
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love the people
24:47
i love the tick tocks that i get sent i
24:49
can't i am the same i can't filter
24:50
through it myself
24:52
but i uh saw one the other day
24:55
it's like it's like my friend sent it to
24:58
me it's like how to impress the blue
24:59
haired girl in your zoom class
25:01
and he he like scratches out
25:05
uh on photoshop kanye west as his top
25:08
artist and makes it me and then like
25:10
puts it on his instagram stories
25:15
i love it yeah i love tic toc did you do
25:17
your spotify rapt thing
25:20
yeah i am all ambient music which is
25:23
so weird like it's just such a
25:26
i think it's because i i really like my
25:28
ambient playlist and if i'm
25:30
like writing for interviews or or
25:33
writing a piece on something that isn't
25:35
music
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um i like let me look at it right now
25:39
yeah
25:40
it's literally all ambient
25:43
um like my top song is heavy water
25:47
uh i'd rather be sleeping by grouper i
25:50
really
25:51
uh and then i have like brian eno and
25:54
bill frazelle and this elliot smith
25:56
covers album by christopher o'reilly
25:58
that i really love that's just piano
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arrangements of
26:01
elliott songs uh so yeah i've been going
26:04
through it this year
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yeah i think everybody's seen it as an
26:08
indicator of how messed up everyone's
26:10
been like oh right now
26:12
it felt funny um i actually talking of
26:15
elliott i have
26:16
one fan question which i said i would
26:17
ask you um
26:19
it's yes elliot related um
26:23
it what was it let me think it was
26:26
if you if elliot was still here and
26:30
um you could guarantee that you wouldn't
26:33
be
26:34
a punisher what would you do on a
26:37
perfect
26:38
la day out with him uh
26:43
it's hard to even imagine him as a
26:45
person
26:46
which is weird like i think
26:50
towards later in his life he was getting
26:52
kind of paranoid and didn't want to go
26:54
out but
26:55
i do know that he got his coffee at
26:57
gelson's every morning
26:58
which is the grocery store by my house
27:00
is that so
27:01
maybe we'd go get a gilson's coffee and
27:04
then like go back to his house
27:06
and listen to recordings and go to
27:09
um silver lake lounge later which is
27:11
this which was the bar that he always
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hung out at
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that sounds like a good day totally
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all right phoebe well i won't keep you
27:20
any longer but thank you so much and
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congratulations again on
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such a brilliant album and all your
27:25
well-deserved success
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yeah well thank you so much all right
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i'll talk to you soon
27:35
you
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